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pattacini

Hi hackers,

 

What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?

More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.

 

Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.

For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.

 

Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.

 

GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).

 

What do you think?

 

Ugo

 

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Lorenzo Natale-2

Dear Ugo,

I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while. However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…

 

Lorenzo

 

From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

 

Hi hackers,

 

What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?

More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.

 

Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.

For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.

 

Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.

 

GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).

 

What do you think?

 

Ugo

 

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Juan G Victores-2
I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.

Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown flavor.

And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )


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2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:

Dear Ugo,

I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while. However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…

 

Lorenzo

 

From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

 

Hi hackers,

 

What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?

More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.

 

Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.

For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.

 

Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.

 

GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).

 

What do you think?

 

Ugo

 

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

alecive
I'm strongly in favor of this.

As Juan said, the biggest advancement will be tracking/recovering of old issues: more often than not, an issue on [rc-hackers] has already been solved for someone else, but it is very unlikely for an user to recover it. On github there are a set of tools (tags, advanced searches, etc) that make this process easy both for the user (to look for previous issues) and for the support guy (to refer to previous issues if needed).

It is ok to leave this ml (for a while, but not too much), but shall we send an "official" message on [rc-hackers] stating that now the way to go is GitHub? It would fasten up the switch :)

Alessandro

Da: Juan G Victores [[hidden email]]
Inviato: lunedì 5 gennaio 2015 16.49
A: Lorenzo Natale
Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
Oggetto: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.

Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown flavor.

And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )


-juan
________________________________________________________
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2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:

Dear Ugo,

I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while. However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…

 

Lorenzo

 

From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

 

Hi hackers,

 

What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?

More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.

 

Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.

For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.

 

Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.

 

GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).

 

What do you think?

 

Ugo

 

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Stéphane Lallée
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I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and discussions of elderlies :-P
Just joking, though I would feel nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how to add a third leg to the icub ;-)

From: [hidden email]
Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.

Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown flavor.

And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )


-juan
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2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:

Dear Ugo,

I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while. However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…

 

Lorenzo

 

From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

 

Hi hackers,

 

What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?

More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.

 

Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.

For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.

 

Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.

 

GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).

 

What do you think?

 

Ugo

 

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Serena Ivaldi-4
Ahaha Stephane good point!

Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly related to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues, hardware issues, and maybe an email is better for those cases.
Best,

Serena

On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and discussions of elderlies :-P
> Just joking, though I would feel nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> From: Juan G Victores
> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> To: Lorenzo Natale
> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
>
> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown flavor.
>
> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
>
>
> -juan
> ________________________________________________________
> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
>
>
> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:
> Dear Ugo,
>
> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while. However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
>
>  
>
> Lorenzo
>
>  
>
> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
>  
>
> Hi hackers,
>
>  
>
> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
>
> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking as a more effective tool, indeed.
>
>  
>
> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
>
> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific repository we can behave as suggested here, https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code. Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and others I know J.
>
>  
>
> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
>
>  
>
> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
>
>  
>
> What do you think?
>
>  
>
> Ugo
>
>  
>
> ___________________________________________________
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>  
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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

pattacini
As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware, firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.

Ugo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
> To: Stéphane LALLEE
> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo
> Pattacini
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>
> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly related
> to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues, hardware issues, and
> maybe an email is better for those cases.
> Best,
>
> Serena
>
> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
> > discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
> > nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
> > to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> > From: Juan G Victores
> > Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> > To: Lorenzo Natale
> > Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> > Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> > I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
> >
> > Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub
> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown
> flavor.
> >
> > And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
> >
> >
> > -juan
> > ________________________________________________________
> > http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
> >
> >
> > 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:
> > Dear Ugo,
> >
> > I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use
> > of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
> > However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for
> > Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
> >
> >
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> > To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> > Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi hackers,
> >
> >
> >
> > What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
> >
> > More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking
> as a more effective tool, indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
> >
> > For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific
> repository we can behave as suggested here,
> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating
> a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though
> the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and
> others I know J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means
> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic
> files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people
> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand
> new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ugo
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> > Ugo Pattacini                  [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
> >
> > Via Morego 30
> >
> > 16163 Genoa, Italy
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>
>
>
> ---------
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> INRIA Nancy Grand-Est
> Team Maia - office C121
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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Alberto Cardellino
Maybe the mailing list could be still used for announcement, like:

* new firmware available, please guys update your robot
* maintenance scheduled on the server, do not push your work
* nuclear missile launched, stay covered

like we did sometimes in the past.

Alberto

On 11/01/2015 13:14, Ugo Pattacini wrote:

> As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware, firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.
>
> Ugo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
>> To: Stéphane LALLEE
>> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo
>> Pattacini
>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>
>> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>>
>> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly related
>> to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues, hardware issues, and
>> maybe an email is better for those cases.
>> Best,
>>
>> Serena
>>
>> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
>>> discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
>>> nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
>>> to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
>>> From: Juan G Victores
>>> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
>>> To: Lorenzo Natale
>>> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
>>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>>
>>> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
>>>
>>> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to GitHub
>> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its markdown
>> flavor.
>>> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
>>>
>>>
>>> -juan
>>> ________________________________________________________
>>> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale<[hidden email]>:
>>> Dear Ugo,
>>>
>>> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use
>>> of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
>>> However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for
>>> Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorenzo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
>>> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
>>> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi hackers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
>> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
>>> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking
>> as a more effective tool, indeed.
>>>
>>> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
>> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
>>> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific
>> repository we can behave as suggested here,
>> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by creating
>> a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
>> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though
>> the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and
>> others I know J.
>>>
>>> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means
>> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic
>> files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
>>>
>>> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people
>> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand
>> new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ugo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Ugo [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> iCub Facility
>>>
>>> Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
>>>
>>> Via Morego 30
>>>
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>>>
>>> Ph: +39 010 71781-523
>>>
>>> Fax: +39 010 71781-205
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> tel: (+33) 03-5495-8618
>> mail:[hidden email]
>> web:www.loria.fr/~sivaldi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Marco Randazzo
In reply to this post by pattacini
I agree with Ugo and Ale.
Mailing list is '80ish and inefficient.
Personally, I'd keep it only for general announcements to the whole community (with messages moderated by an admin), and I'd migrate all the icub-related discussions to the new board.
Ciao,
Marco

 -----Original Message-----
From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: domenica 11 gennaio 2015 13:14
To: Serena Ivaldi; Stéphane LALLEE
Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Lorenzo Natale
Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware, firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.

Ugo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
> To: Stéphane LALLEE
> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers;
> Ugo Pattacini
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>
> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly
> related to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues,
> hardware issues, and maybe an email is better for those cases.
> Best,
>
> Serena
>
> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
> > discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
> > nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
> > to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> > From: Juan G Victores
> > Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> > To: Lorenzo Natale
> > Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> > Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> > I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
> >
> > Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to
> > GitHub
> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
> markdown flavor.
> >
> > And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
> >
> >
> > -juan
> > ________________________________________________________
> > http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
> >
> >
> > 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:
> > Dear Ugo,
> >
> > I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the
> > use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
> > However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository
> > for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
> >
> >
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> > To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> > Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi hackers,
> >
> >
> >
> > What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
> >
> > More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues
> > tracking
> as a more effective tool, indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
> >
> > For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any
> > specific
> repository we can behave as suggested here,
> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by
> creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J,
> though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since
> long, for me and others I know J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by
> > means
> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop
> generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services,
> > people
> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up
> a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ugo
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> > Ugo Pattacini                  [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
> > iCub Facility
> >
> > Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
> >
> > Via Morego 30
> >
> > 16163 Genoa, Italy
> >
> > Ph: +39 010 71781-523
> >
> > Fax: +39 010 71781-205
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership
> > with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software
> > development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos,
> > case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
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> >
> >
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> > Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership
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> > development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos,
> > case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
> > http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___________________________________
> > __
> > __________
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> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>
>
>
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> mail: [hidden email]
> web: www.loria.fr/~sivaldi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Vadim Tikhanoff-2
I also support this firmly. Makes much more sense.
Vadim


> On 12 Jan 2015, at 10:22, Marco Randazzo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I agree with Ugo and Ale.
> Mailing list is '80ish and inefficient.
> Personally, I'd keep it only for general announcements to the whole community (with messages moderated by an admin), and I'd migrate all the icub-related discussions to the new board.
> Ciao,
> Marco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: domenica 11 gennaio 2015 13:14
> To: Serena Ivaldi; Stéphane LALLEE
> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Lorenzo Natale
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware, firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.
>
> Ugo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
>> To: Stéphane LALLEE
>> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers;
>> Ugo Pattacini
>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>
>> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>>
>> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly
>> related to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues,
>> hardware issues, and maybe an email is better for those cases.
>> Best,
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
>>> discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
>>> nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
>>> to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
>>> From: Juan G Victores
>>> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
>>> To: Lorenzo Natale
>>> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
>>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>>
>>> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
>>>
>>> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to
>>> GitHub
>> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
>> markdown flavor.
>>>
>>> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
>>>
>>>
>>> -juan
>>> ________________________________________________________
>>> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:
>>> Dear Ugo,
>>>
>>> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the
>>> use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
>>> However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository
>>> for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorenzo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
>>> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
>>> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi hackers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
>> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
>>>
>>> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues
>>> tracking
>> as a more effective tool, indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
>> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
>>>
>>> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any
>>> specific
>> repository we can behave as suggested here,
>> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by
>> creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
>> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J,
>> though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since
>> long, for me and others I know J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by
>>> means
>> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop
>> generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services,
>>> people
>> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up
>> a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ugo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Ugo Pattacini                  [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> iCub Facility
>>>
>>> Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
>>>
>>> Via Morego 30
>>>
>>> 16163 Genoa, Italy
>>>
>>> Ph: +39 010 71781-523
>>>
>>> Fax: +39 010 71781-205
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
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>>> Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership
>>> with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software
>>> development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos,
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Lorenzo Jamone
In reply to this post by Marco Randazzo
I'd agree to keep it for general announcements to the whole community, including BIG chances that potentially affect all users (e.g. the recent change in the control modes...).

Or... what about a single monthly email with a list of the most important updates/news, newsletter style?
Something like: "Hey iCubers, check what you missed in December!".
Useful? Useless?

Ciao!
Lorenzo

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Marco Randazzo <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Ugo and Ale.
Mailing list is '80ish and inefficient.
Personally, I'd keep it only for general announcements to the whole community (with messages moderated by an admin), and I'd migrate all the icub-related discussions to the new board.
Ciao,
Marco

 -----Original Message-----
From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: domenica 11 gennaio 2015 13:14
To: Serena Ivaldi; Stéphane LALLEE
Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Lorenzo Natale
Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware, firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.

Ugo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
> To: Stéphane LALLEE
> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers;
> Ugo Pattacini
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>
> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly
> related to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues,
> hardware issues, and maybe an email is better for those cases.
> Best,
>
> Serena
>
> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
> > discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
> > nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
> > to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> > From: Juan G Victores
> > Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> > To: Lorenzo Natale
> > Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> > Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> > I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
> >
> > Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to
> > GitHub
> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
> markdown flavor.
> >
> > And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
> >
> >
> > -juan
> > ________________________________________________________
> > http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
> >
> >
> > 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale <[hidden email]>:
> > Dear Ugo,
> >
> > I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the
> > use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
> > However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository
> > for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
> >
> >
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> > To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> > Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi hackers,
> >
> >
> >
> > What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
> >
> > More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues
> > tracking
> as a more effective tool, indeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
> >
> > For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any
> > specific
> repository we can behave as suggested here,
> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by
> creating a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J,
> though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since
> long, for me and others I know J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by
> > means
> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop
> generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services,
> > people
> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up
> a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ugo
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> > Ugo Pattacini                  [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
> > iCub Facility
> >
> > Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
> >
> > Via Morego 30
> >
> > 16163 Genoa, Italy
> >
> > Ph: <a href="tel:%2B39%20010%2071781-523" value="+3901071781523">+39 010 71781-523
> >
> > Fax: <a href="tel:%2B39%20010%2071781-205" value="+3901071781205">+39 010 71781-205
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > -------- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go
> > Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership
> > with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software
> > development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos,
> > case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
> > http://goparallel.sourceforge.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > Robotcub-hackers mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
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> > development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos,
> > case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
> > http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___________________________________
> > __
> > __________
> > Robotcub-hackers mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>
>
>
> ---------
> Serena Ivaldi
> INRIA Nancy Grand-Est
> Team Maia - office C121
> tel: <a href="tel:%28%2B33%29%2003-5495-8618" value="+33354958618">(+33) 03-5495-8618
> mail: [hidden email]
> web: www.loria.fr/~sivaldi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Lorenzo Natale-2
In reply to this post by Alberto Cardellino
Let's experiment with this (don't worry for now there are no plans to shut down this mailing list). Ugo created a QA repository https://github.com/robotology/QA. To recap the idea is to use the issues within this repository to ask questions or ask for support (but see below). It could be also a mean for general discussions, however we should keep in mind that github does not automatically notifies everyone when new issues are opened, so it may not be a good way to reach "all". For this the mailing list seems more appropriate.

Don’t forget that software bugs specific to individual projects should be filed to the corresponding repository (i.e. yarp, icub-main, iol, ycm etc), we should not use QA for those. Also do not report failures/requests of support for specific robots (i.e. I broke cable x or y, because for now we should keep using the icub-support mailing address).

This repository collects all issues of the "robotology" group, so we need to classify issues using labels. To begin with we have created the following labels:

icub: all questions related to icub platform
ikart: questions related to the ikart platform
discussion: general discussion

These labels can be further extended, but this looks like a good start.

In addition you can further characterize the issue using other labels:
Firmware
Hardware
Software
Simulator
Bug

The next step is to start using it. You will need a github account and ask one of the administrators of robotology to join the group (if you are a developer you should be already in).
Lorenzo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alberto Cardellino [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: lunedì 12 gennaio 2015 10:00
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> Maybe the mailing list could be still used for announcement, like:
>
> * new firmware available, please guys update your robot
> * maintenance scheduled on the server, do not push your work
> * nuclear missile launched, stay covered
>
> like we did sometimes in the past.
>
> Alberto
>
> On 11/01/2015 13:14, Ugo Pattacini wrote:
> > As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware,
> firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which
> information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.
> >
> > Ugo
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
> >> To: Stéphane LALLEE
> >> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo
> >> Pattacini
> >> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >>
> >> Ahaha Stephane good point!
> >>
> >> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly related
> >> to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues, hardware issues, and
> >> maybe an email is better for those cases.
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Serena
> >>
> >> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE<[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
> >>> discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
> >>> nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
> >>> to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> >>> From: Juan G Victores
> >>> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> >>> To: Lorenzo Natale
> >>> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> >>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >>>
> >>> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
> >>>
> >>> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to
> GitHub
> >> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
> markdown
> >> flavor.
> >>> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -juan
> >>> ________________________________________________________
> >>> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale<[hidden email]>:
> >>> Dear Ugo,
> >>>
> >>> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use
> >>> of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
> >>> However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for
> >>> Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lorenzo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >>> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> >>> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> >>> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi hackers,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
> >> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
> >>> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking
> >> as a more effective tool, indeed.
> >>>
> >>> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
> >> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
> >>> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific
> >> repository we can behave as suggested here,
> >> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by
> creating
> >> a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
> >> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though
> >> the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and
> >> others I know J.
> >>>
> >>> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means
> >> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic
> >> files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
> >>>
> >>> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people
> >> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand
> >> new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ugo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>> Ugo [hidden email]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> iCub Facility
> >>>
> >>> Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
> >>>
> >>> Via Morego 30
> >>>
> >>> 16163 Genoa, Italy
> >>>
> >>> Ph: +39 010 71781-523
> >>>
> >>> Fax: +39 010 71781-205
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -------- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel
> >>> Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot
> >>> Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from
> >>> weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies,
> >>> tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
> >>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Robotcub-hackers mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> -------- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel
> >>> Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot
> >>> Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from
> >>> weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies,
> >>> tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
> >>>
> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net____________________________________
> _
> >>> __________
> >>> Robotcub-hackers mailing list
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
> >>
> >> ---------
> >> Serena Ivaldi
> >> INRIA Nancy Grand-Est
> >> Team Maia - office C121
> >> tel: (+33) 03-5495-8618
> >> mail:[hidden email]
> >> web:www.loria.fr/~sivaldi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers

Lars Schillingmann
Dear all,

I see mailing-lists complementary to issue tracking. As others already mentioned it can be very helpful for global announcements. Also mailing lists have a relatively low setup threshold for the end user and a low threshold for asking questions. A single subscription can be sufficient to stay informed about a project. Email is the lowest common denominator. Not to forget that you do not need to open a web page to write an email to a mailing list (however it seems github has support for email replies to issues).

Although it is very likely that github will stay around for a while, it is not impossible that the project hosting might change again in the future. What about the mailing list? The tools for mailing lists, such as archiving mails, filtering, etc. are well developed. How do you move the QA issues from one issue tracker to another?

None of my comments are intended to vote against any experimentation. I just wanted to add to the point of being a little careful before completely moving away from old school mailing lists ;)

Best
Lars

On 2015-01-12 21:23 +0900, Lorenzo Natale wrote:

> Let's experiment with this (don't worry for now there are no plans to shut down this mailing list). Ugo created a QA repository https://github.com/robotology/QA. To recap the idea is to use the issues within this repository to ask questions or ask for support (but see below). It could be also a mean for general discussions, however we should keep in mind that github does not automatically notifies everyone when new issues are opened, so it may not be a good way to reach "all". For this the mailing list seems more appropriate.
>
> Don’t forget that software bugs specific to individual projects should be filed to the corresponding repository (i.e. yarp, icub-main, iol, ycm etc), we should not use QA for those. Also do not report failures/requests of support for specific robots (i.e. I broke cable x or y, because for now we should keep using the icub-support mailing address).
>
> This repository collects all issues of the "robotology" group, so we need to classify issues using labels. To begin with we have created the following labels:
>
> icub: all questions related to icub platform
> ikart: questions related to the ikart platform
> discussion: general discussion
>
> These labels can be further extended, but this looks like a good start.
>
> In addition you can further characterize the issue using other labels:
> Firmware
> Hardware
> Software
> Simulator
> Bug
>
> The next step is to start using it. You will need a github account and ask one of the administrators of robotology to join the group (if you are a developer you should be already in).
> Lorenzo
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alberto Cardellino [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: lunedì 12 gennaio 2015 10:00
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>>
>> Maybe the mailing list could be still used for announcement, like:
>>
>> * new firmware available, please guys update your robot
>> * maintenance scheduled on the server, do not push your work
>> * nuclear missile launched, stay covered
>>
>> like we did sometimes in the past.
>>
>> Alberto
>>
>> On 11/01/2015 13:14, Ugo Pattacini wrote:
>> > As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control, hardware,
>> firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual repo in which
>> information retrieval is much more effective than mailing list.
>> >
>> > Ugo
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> >> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
>> >> To: Stéphane LALLEE
>> >> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo
>> >> Pattacini
>> >> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>> >>
>> >> Ahaha Stephane good point!
>> >>
>> >> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not directly related
>> >> to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware issues, hardware issues, and
>> >> maybe an email is better for those cases.
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Serena
>> >>
>> >> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane LALLEE<[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
>> >>> discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
>> >>> nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking how
>> >>> to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
>> >>> From: Juan G Victores
>> >>> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
>> >>> To: Lorenzo Natale
>> >>> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
>> >>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>> >>>
>> >>> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
>> >>>
>> >>> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move to
>> GitHub
>> >> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
>> markdown
>> >> flavor.
>> >>> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -juan
>> >>> ________________________________________________________
>> >>> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale<[hidden email]>:
>> >>> Dear Ugo,
>> >>>
>> >>> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the use
>> >>> of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
>> >>> However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback repository for
>> >>> Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Lorenzo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> >>> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
>> >>> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
>> >>> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi hackers,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for raising
>> >> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing list?
>> >>> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues tracking
>> >> as a more effective tool, indeed.
>> >>>
>> >>> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can keep
>> >> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
>> >>> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any specific
>> >> repository we can behave as suggested here,
>> >> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/, by
>> creating
>> >> a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no code.
>> >> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article J, though
>> >> the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside since long, for me and
>> >> others I know J.
>> >>>
>> >>> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly, by means
>> >> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly drag‘n’drop generic
>> >> files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty much like other Q/A systems.
>> >>>
>> >>> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many web-services, people
>> >> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting up a brand
>> >> new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ugo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ___________________________________________________
>> >>>
>> >>> Ugo [hidden email]
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> iCub Facility
>> >>>
>> >>> Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia
>> >>>
>> >>> Via Morego 30
>> >>>
>> >>> 16163 Genoa, Italy
>> >>>
>> >>> Ph: +39 010 71781-523
>> >>>
>> >>> Fax: +39 010 71781-205
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> -------- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel
>> >>> Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot
>> >>> Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from
>> >>> weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies,
>> >>> tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
>> >>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Robotcub-hackers mailing list
>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> -------- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel
>> >>> Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot
>> >>> Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from
>> >>> weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies,
>> >>> tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now.
>> >>>
>> http://goparallel.sourceforge.net____________________________________
>> _
>> >>> __________
>> >>> Robotcub-hackers mailing list
>> >>> [hidden email]
>> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/robotcub-hackers
>> >>
>> >> ---------
>> >> Serena Ivaldi
>> >> INRIA Nancy Grand-Est
>> >> Team Maia - office C121
>> >> tel: (+33) 03-5495-8618
>> >> mail:[hidden email]
>> >> web:www.loria.fr/~sivaldi

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pattacini
Hi Lars,

It's true that relying on GitHub will bind ourselves to this specific web service.
However, in the (unlikely for me) event we will drop GitHub in favour of a different host we could always exports the issues. This process seems to be doable with GitHub API and some migration tutorials do exist on the net (e.g. http://codetheory.in/export-your-issues-and-wikis-from-github-repo-and-import-to-bitbucket-migration).

In my opinion the mailing list hides lots of past discussions lost in the archives, indeed. I'm speaking with the hat of an absolute beginner who usually struggles to find what he needs. Somehow the experience of StackExchange Q&A system has taught us something useful - maybe not that much to super-users - but greatly helped to build and sustain a community.

To any rate, as you said, we can keep both tools alongside.

Ciao,
Ugo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Schillingmann [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 14 January 2015 07:31
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
>
> Dear all,
>
> I see mailing-lists complementary to issue tracking. As others already
> mentioned it can be very helpful for global announcements. Also mailing lists
> have a relatively low setup threshold for the end user and a low threshold
> for asking questions. A single subscription can be sufficient to stay
> informed about a project. Email is the lowest common denominator. Not to
> forget that you do not need to open a web page to write an email to a mailing
> list (however it seems github has support for email replies to issues).
>
> Although it is very likely that github will stay around for a while, it is
> not impossible that the project hosting might change again in the future.
> What about the mailing list? The tools for mailing lists, such as archiving
> mails, filtering, etc. are well developed. How do you move the QA issues from
> one issue tracker to another?
>
> None of my comments are intended to vote against any experimentation. I just
> wanted to add to the point of being a little careful before completely moving
> away from old school mailing lists ;)
>
> Best
> Lars
>
> On 2015-01-12 21:23 +0900, Lorenzo Natale wrote:
> > Let's experiment with this (don't worry for now there are no plans to shut
> down this mailing list). Ugo created a QA repository
> https://github.com/robotology/QA. To recap the idea is to use the issues
> within this repository to ask questions or ask for support (but see below).
> It could be also a mean for general discussions, however we should keep in
> mind that github does not automatically notifies everyone when new issues are
> opened, so it may not be a good way to reach "all". For this the mailing list
> seems more appropriate.
> >
> > Don’t forget that software bugs specific to individual projects should be
> filed to the corresponding repository (i.e. yarp, icub-main, iol, ycm etc),
> we should not use QA for those. Also do not report failures/requests of
> support for specific robots (i.e. I broke cable x or y, because for now we
> should keep using the icub-support mailing address).
> >
> > This repository collects all issues of the "robotology" group, so we need
> to classify issues using labels. To begin with we have created the following
> labels:
> >
> > icub: all questions related to icub platform
> > ikart: questions related to the ikart platform
> > discussion: general discussion
> >
> > These labels can be further extended, but this looks like a good start.
> >
> > In addition you can further characterize the issue using other labels:
> > Firmware
> > Hardware
> > Software
> > Simulator
> > Bug
> >
> > The next step is to start using it. You will need a github account and ask
> one of the administrators of robotology to join the group (if you are a
> developer you should be already in).
> > Lorenzo
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alberto Cardellino [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: lunedì 12 gennaio 2015 10:00
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >>
> >> Maybe the mailing list could be still used for announcement, like:
> >>
> >> * new firmware available, please guys update your robot
> >> * maintenance scheduled on the server, do not push your work
> >> * nuclear missile launched, stay covered
> >>
> >> like we did sometimes in the past.
> >>
> >> Alberto
> >>
> >> On 11/01/2015 13:14, Ugo Pattacini wrote:
> >> > As said, for those questions unrelated to software (control,
> >> > hardware,
> >> firmware, dating, parties, birthdays :) ) we can set up a virtual
> >> repo in which information retrieval is much more effective than mailing
> list.
> >> >
> >> > Ugo
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Serena Ivaldi [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> >> Sent: 11 January 2015 12:01
> >> >> To: Stéphane LALLEE
> >> >> Cc: Juan G Victores; Lorenzo Natale; Mailing List
> >> >> RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> >> >> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >> >>
> >> >> Ahaha Stephane good point!
> >> >>
> >> >> Another reason is that sometimes there can be questions not
> >> >> directly related to software (bug issues etc) but also firmware
> >> >> issues, hardware issues, and maybe an email is better for those cases.
> >> >> Best,
> >> >>
> >> >> Serena
> >> >>
> >> >> On 09 Jan 2015, at 18:03, Stéphane
> >> >> LALLEE<[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I think we should keep this list for historical purposes and
> >> >>> discussions of elderlies :-P Just joking, though I would feel
> >> >>> nostalgic... There will be nothing on github like Zhen Li asking
> >> >>> how to add a third leg to the icub ;-)
> >> >>> From: Juan G Victores
> >> >>> Sent: ‎05/‎01/‎2015 23:50
> >> >>> To: Lorenzo Natale
> >> >>> Cc: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers; Ugo Pattacini
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I like seeing open/closed status and tags to classify.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Beware Zenhub is only available on Chrome for now, but the move
> >> >>> to
> >> GitHub
> >> >> seems reasonable enough: no new accounts, and getting used to its
> >> markdown
> >> >> flavor.
> >> >>> And yes I wouldn't kill the list yet. : )
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -juan
> >> >>> ________________________________________________________
> >> >>> http://roboticslab.uc3m.es/roboticslab/people/jg-victores
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2015-01-05 12:31 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Natale<[hidden email]>:
> >> >>> Dear Ugo,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I like this. Traffic on this ml has already dropped thanks to the
> >> >>> use of github’s issues, but I would not “drop” it for another while.
> >> >>> However I am in favor of starting a robotology/feedback
> >> >>> repository for Q&A. Let’s wait for feedback from others…
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lorenzo
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> From: Ugo Pattacini [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> >>> Sent: lunedì 29 dicembre 2014 22:17
> >> >>> To: Mailing List RobotCub-Hackers
> >> >>> Subject: [rc-hackers] GitHub as Q/A vs. rc-hackers
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi hackers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What about advertising more the use of GitHub as a place for
> >> >>> raising
> >> >> Questions and finding Answers rather than this old glorious mailing
> list?
> >> >>> More often we’ve been finding ourselves to rely on GitHub issues
> >> >>> tracking
> >> >> as a more effective tool, indeed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Each repository has its own Q/A space, let’s say, where we can
> >> >>> keep
> >> >> organized all the threads in a more “modern” fashion.
> >> >>> For those general questions that are somehow unrelated to any
> >> >>> specific
> >> >> repository we can behave as suggested here,
> >> >> https://garage.godaddy.com/webpro/development/cool-github-hack/,
> >> >> by
> >> creating
> >> >> a dedicated robotology/feedback “virtual” repo just for issues, no
> code.
> >> >> Actually, this idea came to my mind after having read this article
> >> >> J, though the desire of dropping rc-hackers was growing inside
> >> >> since long, for me and others I know J.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Moreover, GitHub allows for attaching images and, interestingly,
> >> >>> by means
> >> >> of the free Zenhub integration, the user can seamlessly
> >> >> drag‘n’drop generic files as well as express +1 on comments, pretty
> much like other Q/A systems.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> GitHub is easy, already integrated with code, has many
> >> >>> web-services, people
> >> >> are familiar with it, thus there shouldn’t be any need for setting
> >> >> up a brand new Q/A (that’ll be most likely non-free).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What do you think?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ugo
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ___________________________________________________
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ugo [hidden email]
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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